DATA COLLECTION: L218 OTA Guide Data Problems

[Allen Noland]

If you are still missing guide data for some/all of your OTA digital channels, please post where you are, and the channel (name and number) that you don't have correct or any data for.


Hopefully the list will be much smaller with L218!!

[lapplegate]

Louisville, KY missing guide data.


I subscribe to Dish Locals. The Dish channels are: 9095 to 9103.

I started missing guide data, for 3 of my OTA channels at around 212.
213 did not help. 215 did not help. 216 did not help. And now 218 did not help.

Is it possible the data will load later? Removed all OTA channels and rescanned. No help. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

the channels missing guide data are:
WAVE3 (NBC) 47 mapped to 03-01 (dish 9097)
WKPC15 (PBS) 17 mapped to 015-01 (dish (9101)
WKMJ68 (KET) 38 mapped to 068-01 (dish 9102)

HELLOOOOO, Dish. What do you need to get the data? Don't try saying "a subscription to locals", been doing that for months.
Larry

[Cyclone]

I still don't see Baltimore EPG data from the Washington DMA. Although I am in the Grade A contour of Baltimore.

Wash DC DMA:
WRC 4.1 NBC HD is ok
WRC 4.2 is a NBC Weather Plus station, but no EPG info
WTTG 5.1 FOX is ok
WJLA 7.1 ABC is ok
WJLA 7.2 is a Home Grown "Weather Now" sub-channel, but no EPG info
WUSA 9.1 is ok
WUSA 9.2 is a Doppler radar, but no EPG info
WETA 26.x is a PBS affiliate, no EPG info
WBDC 50.1 is ok

Baltimore DMA: No info at all for non 105 satellites subcribers. But it should be:

2.1 WMAR ABC HDTV programming
2.2 WMAR ABC SD
2.3 WMAR Doppler
11.1 WBAL NBC HD
11.2 WBAL NBC SD
13.1 WJZ CBS HD
22.x WMPT PBS
45.1 WBFF FOX HD
45.2 WBFF FOX SD
54.1 WNUV WB HD
54.2 WNUV WB SD

[langlin]

I lost this channels guide data with L212 and it is still gone now with L218
I subscribe to Locals and get locals from Springfield, Mo.

I deleted all D and A channels, did a check switch ( don't know why), re-scanned and
re-added analong and digital stations.

The channel missing guide data is:
KOZK(PBS) RF23 mapped to 21-01 (dish 7226)

My complete OTA picture is as follows:
(IN DMA)
003-01 NBC I have guide for this channel (KYTV)
003-02 UPN No guide (didn't expect guide) (KDL-17)
021-01 PBS No guide (expected guide, this guide lost w/L213)(KOZK)
021-02 PBS No guide (didn't expect guide)
021-03 PBS No guide (didn't expect guide)
021-04 PBS No guide

Out of DMA
006-01 PBS No guide (KEMV)
006-02 PBS No guide
006-03 PBS No guide
006-04 PBS No guide

[FrankD1]

In Fresno, CA

KGPE 047-01 (CBS)

OTA Guide info available until around L212-L213. None of the recent updates have made a diff. I always delete and rescan after each update. I do subscribe to locals.

[tnsprin]

Originally Posted by Allen Noland

If you are still missing guide data for some/all of your OTA digital channels, please post where you are, and the channel (name and number) that you don't have correct or any data for.


Hopefully the list will be much smaller with L218!!

Still missing WWOR (ch 9-1) Its was there but has been missing since they dropped showing all subchannels (l212 or so).
Other NY channels such as WNET and a bunch of minor channels (carried by DISH in the 8000's) are also missing.

[keitheva]

For me at least, L216 filled in the last of the missing OTA EPG data. It was too good to last.

There is now *no* EPG data whatsoever for all 5 KQED PBS subchannels (009-1 to -5). With L216 all this info was available. Even L215 at least had 009-1.

With L218 I have also lost 043-2 data (KCSM). 043-1 is ok.

And 047-1 and -2 (KTLN) are also gone.

This in the SFBay area. I subscribe to locals.

I'm a Brit, from Yorkshire, and my name is Keith. "Keighley", the town in Yorkshire where Eldon are located, is pronounced "Keithley". So I have felt an affinity and an inclination to be a little protective towards them in the past when criticisms have been made. But I'm afraid even my tolerance has run out at this point. What passes for QA at Eldon I can't imagine. I'm afraid you've rather let the side down chaps.

0 steps forward, 2 steps backward.

[Grandude]

I concur with keitheva, here in Santa Rosa I also lost all 5 KQED PBS subchannels. They were fine with 216.
I also do not have the 43-2 data but don't recall if I had it with 216.
My location in Santa Rosa makes it quite difficult to receive most OTA channels except lately they have been coming in quite strong but only in the evening.

Keitheve, have you been experiencing this too or do you have a better vantage point than I do. I am on the flats near the Luther Burbank center and using an outdoor antenna in the attic. (for esthetic reasons)

[DonLandis]

Got L218 this evening-

Without any action on my part, the previous list of scanned OTA channels populated my guide and were turned on with the install of L218. Back to normal as normal was with L213.

Also, no guide data for any OTA channel is present either. Like it was for L213

I did not have Dish activate the LIL for $5.98 for one month free just to have my free local channels. They asked me to call them, I did. Left them a message. They said they would call back at a specific time. I waited and they did not call back. I didn't bother to follow up since I really didn't want to play the candyman game with them.

[keitheva]

Originally Posted by Grandude

I concur with keitheva, here in Santa Rosa I also lost all 5 KQED PBS subchannels. They were fine with 216.
I also do not have the 43-2 data but don't recall if I had it with 216.
My location in Santa Rosa makes it quite difficult to receive most OTA channels except lately they have been coming in quite strong but only in the evening.

Keitheve, have you been experiencing this too or do you have a better vantage point than I do. I am on the flats near the Luther Burbank center and using an outdoor antenna in the attic. (for esthetic reasons)

Hi Grandude,

I am in the hills SE of Santa Rosa, and have a CM4228 8-bay UHF antenna on the roof. I have always had pretty good reception here. As well as the Sutro Tower stations, I can also get KNTV (11) fairly consistently, which is from Loma Prieta, about 100 miles away.

Here's hoping that L219 or whatever it is at least gets us to back to where L216 was. Seems like L218 has not improved things for anybody, and has regressed functionality for many of us.

Cheers,
-Keith

[Leroy]

With the 215 update I was getting all the OTA guide correctly. Now KCET channel 28 in the Los Angeles Area is Local info again. Will wait for the list to populate a few days reboot and rescan and try again

Leroy

[kzosat]

I sub to dish locals and now with 218 I get no OTA Guide data for:

GrandRapids, Kalamazoo, Battle Creek DMA Michigan

WXMI Fox channel 17 analog channel 19 digital
WOTV ABC Channel 41 analog channel 20 digital
WOOD NBC channel 8 analog channel 7 Digital
WGVK PBS never got guide data channel 5 digital


I can't pickup CBS OTA.

[bnam]

I've lost the guide data for KQED (all sub channels). I live in the Sacramento area and KQED may not be considered my home market station, but due to propagation I've been recieving it better than my local PBS (KVIE). With 215 I got guide info (since I don't sub to locals), then lost and got back on 216 with free local subs. Now I still get the other channel guides but not KQED. I thought it was perhaps because I was out of the area, but looksl like some in Bay area have lost it too.
B

[Bradtothebone]

Kansas City, MO DMA:

I'm subscribing temporarily to Dish LIL's (one month free).
Under L218, I got one more channel added to the OTA guide, WDAF (FOX) 034-1 (analog channel 4).

Still missing:
KCPT 019-1 (This is the PBS national HD feed, was not expecting guide data)
KCPT 019-2 (This is the local PBS feed, should have data)
KCWE 029-1 (UPN)
KPXE 050-1 (PAX East, and the local PAX feed - should have data)
KPXE 050-2
KPXE 050-3
KPXE 050-4

Ironically, now that I have guide data for FOX, I can no longer RECEIVE it. I think I was getting some tropo skip, coincidentally, during the time L216 was installed. WDAF broadcasts at 1.1 kW.

(Update: I know it is really not germain to this discussion, but as of August 1, WDAF is receivable again. I understand they raised their temporary antenna somewhat, and that seems to have made all the difference.)

Brad

[paulrus]

Fort Wayne, IN

I've got 218 and still have no OTA guide data - I do not subscribe to locals.
I've deleted and rescanned with no luck.

Also, since 216 2 of my locals have changed names. Now instead of something like WXYZ they say R19.

Haven't had time to check signal strength. So far the 921 has performed terribly compared to my parents Samsung TV with built-in HDTV tuner (and they live in the middle of a 13 acre woods, 3 miles further away from the TV towers than me).

Paul

[pwherr]

I sub to locals.I have been missing KXRM 21(FOX) Colorado Springs,Colorado for a long time and now with new software am still missing info for this channel but it is the only one.

[Mark Lamutt]

Just to be absolutely clear about this, if you do not subscribe to your Dish locals package, you will not see any guide data for your OTA channels.

Also, a lot of PBS stations are still spotty at best, and especially the ones that have multiple subchannels.

[jergenf]

Originally Posted by paulrus

Fort Wayne, IN

I've got 218 and still have no OTA guide data - I do not subscribe to locals.
I've deleted and rescanned with no luck.

Also, since 216 2 of my locals have changed names. Now instead of something like WXYZ they say R19.

Haven't had time to check signal strength. So far the 921 has performed terribly compared to my parents Samsung TV with built-in HDTV tuner (and they live in the middle of a 13 acre woods, 3 miles further away from the TV towers than me).

Paul

You do not subscribe therefore not permitted to have guide info that's not a mistake but dish's intention.

But most important are you receiving all your OTA channels in the guide area? If the channels are not mapped into your guide you can't acces them even though they appear in menu 6 - 8 listing.

Is Rf19 also appearing in the guide? That is a PSIP problem from your station so you may need to retry tuning it in.

Also are you able to see your LIL in the 7000-9000 area of the guide as red perhaps? Were you able to see them before with L216 or L215?

Note: If you are temporarly subscribed then we will have to wait a see after you cancel them.

[keitheva]

Originally Posted by Mark Lamutt

Also, a lot of PBS stations are still spotty at best, and especially the ones that have multiple subchannels.

The point is Mark, we had all 5 KQED-DT and both KCSM-DT subchannels with L216, and now with L218 they are gone. This is a regression.

[dturturro]

Originally Posted by Mark Lamutt

Also, a lot of PBS stations are still spotty at best, and especially the ones that have multiple subchannels.

Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE receive guide data for their subchannels? Here in NY I'm not getting any subchannel guide data. Not a big deal for the major networks but the PBS stations are loaded with original content.

[kzosat]

Originally Posted by Mark Lamutt

Just to be absolutely clear about this, if you do not subscribe to your Dish locals package, you will not see any guide data for your OTA channels.

Also, a lot of PBS stations are still spotty at best, and especially the ones that have multiple subchannels.

This update is fked. per my previous post, I have had the dish locals package since I got dish and now my 921 has NO EPG DATA of OTA channels. This is just absolutely amazing (in a bad way)

[bpauld]

Prior to 218 update I had OTA sub channel guide information. Now I don't have any info. where sub channels are broadcasting different programming than the main channel. The SF PBS channels 9-2, 9-3, 9-4, 9-5 now list no information. Prior to 218 I had complete guide data. I subscribe to locals.

[Mark Lamutt]

Originally Posted by kzosat

This update is fked. per my previous post, I have had the dish locals package since I got dish and now my 921 has NO EPG DATA of OTA channels. This is just absolutely amazing (in a bad way)

And how does this post help? You don't give any indication where you are, or what channels you're having problems with.

[Ron Barry]

Originally Posted by dturturro

Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE receive guide data for their subchannels? Here in NY I'm not getting any subchannel guide data. Not a big deal for the major networks but the PBS stations are loaded with original content.

I get guide information for SubChannels. I am in the LA DMA. From what I can tell, it looks like it depends a lot of what is placed the streams.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Mark Lamutt

Just to be absolutely clear about this, if you do not subscribe to your Dish locals package, you will not see any guide data for your OTA channels.

Also, a lot of PBS stations are still spotty at best, and especially the ones that have multiple subchannels.

Just to confirm your post, I subscribe to Dish locals and I have guide data for all analog and ALL digital channels with the exception of a single local PBS digital channel. Charlotte NC dma