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Ciel-2 Launched! - December 10th
This is more than a bit out of my knowledge comfort zone, but it appears from the Spaceflight Now Worldwide Launch Schedule that the Baikonur Cosmodrome launch schedule has been pushed back putting the Ciel-2 launch into December. Is that correct?
If that is correct, how long could the launch be delayed before those of us depending on a working satellite at 129 would begin to see worse problems than we have now? 
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11-04-08, 01:40 AM
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I don't see a push back ... I was expecting a December launch.
Back in April we had the story that it was pushed into 2009 ... December isn't that far away.
(The last date I see posted at DBSTalk is December 3rd.)
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11-04-08, 03:58 AM
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Astra 1 slipped a couple of days but is sitting on the launch pad right now and Ciel is next up in early Dec, so one can still expect Ciel to be on station and in service around the first of the year.
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11-04-08, 07:35 AM
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Apparently it has been moved back by 8 days ( according to Lyngsat and Jet Propulsion Labs Space Calendar). Last week both were indicating a launch date of December 2, 2008. Both are now indicating a launch of December 10, 2008. Not a big change and seems to happen now and then that launches are moved by a few days at the last minute.
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11-04-08, 07:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spear61
Astra 1 slipped a couple of days but is sitting on the launch pad right now and Ciel is next up in early Dec, so one can still expect Ciel to be on station and in service around the first of the year.
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Ciel-2 is a big spotbeam bird, so it will require a lot of testing. I don't think it will e in its testing location until Dec. 17, a week after launch. Then at least a month to test, plus a little extra for the holidays, and a week to move it to 129. I'd say it will be Feb. before we see it in operation.
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11-04-08, 05:46 PM
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Ciel-2 is a big spotbeam bird, so it will require a lot of testing. I don't think it will e in its testing location until Dec. 17, a week after launch. Then at least a month to test, plus a little extra for the holidays, and a week to move it to 129. I'd say it will be Feb. before we see it in operation.
Astra 1M should be taking off tomorrow afternoon, US time (3:44 pm EST).
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That is cutting it darn close to end of life time for the current 129 bird. Lets all hope if gets there without a hitch.
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11-04-08, 07:52 PM
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That is cutting it darn close to end of life time for the current 129 bird. Lets all hope if gets there without a hitch.
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Heck, Dish plans on moving E5 to 148 after Ciel-2 gets there. I thought it was out of gas, too, but apparently Dish knows something we don't. |
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11-04-08, 09:00 PM
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Quote:
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Heck, Dish plans on moving E5 to 148 after Ciel-2 gets there. I thought it was out of gas, too, but apparently Dish knows something we don't.
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11-06-08, 03:21 PM
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They probably want to be sure that it falls in the ocean and not on someone's house.
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11-06-08, 04:06 PM
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On a positive note, Astra 1-M launched successfully yesterday, so Ciel-2 should be good to go in 5 weeks or so.
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11-06-08, 05:08 PM
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Quote:
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On a positive note, Astra 1-M launched successfully yesterday, so Ciel-2 should be good to go in 5 weeks or so.
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Good to hear. 
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12-01-08, 11:36 PM
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December 10, 19:43 Baikonur, 08:43 EST, 13:43 GMT
Launch Date: December 10, 19:43 Baikonur, 08:43 EST, 13:43 GMT
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12-02-08, 01:19 AM
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12-04-08, 12:07 AM
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So if I understand all of this correctly, this COULD bring Las Vegas HD Locals in 2-3 months!!!
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12-04-08, 01:16 AM
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So if I understand all of this correctly, this COULD bring Las Vegas HD Locals in 2-3 months!!!
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I like that word "COULD" as it fits right in with "SOON".  |
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12-04-08, 01:13 PM
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Ciel-2 is make-or-break for Dish; E5 is failing, and a replacement is needed to allow any further west-coast HD local expansion, plus it will potentially allow for some national HD expansion. The latter may require more shuffling of HD locals off 61.5 to 77, as 61.5 is the east-coast mirror of 129. E5 currently has 4 bad transponders that should go live on Ciel-2, plus Ciel-2 has a bunch of spotbeams.
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12-04-08, 03:54 PM
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Is the launch going to be on channel 101 next week?
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12-04-08, 04:00 PM
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I would think so. If not, www.ilslaunch.com will have it on a live webcast. (Bottom of the page) |
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12-05-08, 04:10 PM
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Quote:
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Is the launch going to be on channel 101 next week?
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Yes, this was confirmed today. Coverage starts at 8:15 a.m. EST. Launch at 8:45 (+/-).
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12-10-08, 08:40 AM
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Surprised that I didn't see any new posts or updates so here is a quick update...
1st burn has completed successfully.
http://www.ilslaunch.com/ciel-2/
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12-10-08, 10:02 AM
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I rewound my recording enough to see the launch before I left the house this morning. Almost looked like "special effects" instead of reality, being a night launch.
But it does appear to be going well ...
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Posted by ILS Communications, 10:20 a.m. EST on 10 December 2008
The Breeze M's second burn has been completed successfully.
The third burn will start in about two hours. Once the third
burn concludes, the Breeze M will shutdown and jettison the
additional propellant tank. Moments later, the Breeze M's
4th burn will begin. We'll confirm completion of the 4th
burn as soon as we have official word.
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12-10-08, 12:03 PM
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Coasting now until 5th (and final) burn....
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Posted by ILS Communications, 12:25 p.m. EST on 10 December 2008
The Breeze M has completed its 3rd and 4th burns, and the
additional propellant fuel tank has been jettisoned. The
vehicle is now in a five-hour coasting period.
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Glad to hear that the launch so far is looking successful.  I sure hope all goes well.. (Knocking on wood).
I definitely am interested in its success, but work as that nasty habit of getting in the way at times.
We are wondering a bit off topic here guys... lets try and stay on topic which is the launch and not a D* vs E* thread.
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Hopefully it won't run into a tool bag or something...  |
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A 5-stage (or 4?) burn launch, that bird must be a monster |
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